Baron Auto Scam Blog
| 7/7/2011 - Tsk tsk tsk . . . |
Ok, so this is awesome and sad all at the same time.
On 6/28/2011, a new site visitor went over to Baron Auto Maxx in Medford and got screwed. Perhaps not screwed, because this customer was very keen to the strangeness that goes hand in hand with the guys over at Baron Auto Maxx. But, whatever it was, it was dirty.
So, here's the story based on how I read the email:
Customer needs a car.
Customer goes shopping for a car.
Salesperson tells them all these wonderful things to get them to buy said car.
They sell said car.
After signing loan papers and all that fun stuff, the final loan price was different than what was originally agreed upon.
The price was modified by 'adding features' to the car that never existed in the first place.
Customer realizes something is fishy and get in touch with the company that approved the loan, news 12 and the Suffolk County DA.
Loan is now reversed, and Baron Auto Maxx has some explaining to do.
To top it all off, this is the best part. The person who made the sale is someone by the name of Danny and Joe Giordano. So weird, because a few months ago, we were told that Joe G no longer works for said company.
Tags: joe giordano, joe g., dann, baron auto maxx, baron auto mall, baron auto, baron medfordjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Tsk tsk tsk . . . | 5/16/2011 - This one is from Brian |
I got an email over the weekend while in Miami for my brother in laws graduation at the University of Miami, it was very well written and had lots of beautiful information regarding the guys out east at Baron Auto Maxx.
Because of this emails excellent grammar, I figured I would spend a few minutes formatting it for you. The people!
And here we go:
Unreal these people. I spent about 2 months looking all over for a 2006 to 2007 BMW 750LI. I finally found one for an advertised price of $26,900 at Baron Auto in Long
Island (good price) talked with Michelle multiple times and went back and forth. Financing was approved through Chase and I made arrangements to fly into
Long Island and drive the car home.
I was told the car would be detailed. When I arrived it was a complete mess..
I was told they did not have time to clean it as the deal was "rushed" together.
When we got there the price was higher due to "fees" from chase. i said whatever
and started driving said car home. Immediately drove like crap. Called Michelle and
was told it was probably in need of an alignment. Michelle then proceeded to tell me to take it somewhere and we will refund the
money. When I got back to Rochester I took the car to the local BMW dealer.
Needless to say, a complete mess. Brakes were shot, wheels bent, stereo not
functioning properly, computer updates, GPS not working, etc. spent $3800 in
repairs to get the car running properly. I was then advised by Baron to fax the invoice and I would
be refunded.. We both know how that turned out. I have numerous calls into Joe
(all unreturned) and Michelle keeps telling me she is sorry. Today I text
Michelle's cell # and tell her I have given up. Filing a complaint with NYS
Attorney General, BBB, and my attorney. I was told "i understand". I then advised her and asked her if she was aware of all the negative
feedback on her scum bag dealership. She said "yes, that's why she doesn't work
there anymore" somehow I highly doubt this.
And that's where I stand.
I have a car that I put $3500 down on, $3800 in repairs, and still needs
$1200 to drive properly with the bent wheel.
JOE and MICHELLE can rot in hell.
I can't say I am surprised in the least bit. In the above email, it seems as if Michelle Scalise had left on her own, and wasn't let go. Whatever the truth, i'm right there with Brian. If there were a hell (which I don't believe exists), I would say they should rot in it. Instead, they will leave a legacy far beyond one could have ever dreamed. And this legacy will follow both of them for many many years until this website eventually disappears.
Tags: baron auto maxx, baron auto, baron auto mall, joe giordano, michelle scalisejake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to This one is from Brian | 11/18/2010 - Sorry, but things are insane over here! | Sorry it's been a while since i've been able to post, but i've been insanely busy over here. Since I built this site, I've had a handful of job offers to help other websites get on the first page of google. First page of google is a beautiful place to be.
With that in mind, that's what i've been up to for the time being. I am still receiving emails about people's horrific experiences with the people of Baron Auto and all affiliated parties, and I will get them up as soon as I possibly can.
I have also found out that the email about Joe Giordano and Michelle Scalise is nothing but a bunch of bullshit!
Lots of love, i'll catch up with everyone shortly!
Tags: baron auto mall, sorry it has been a while since i have posted, google, joe giordano, michelle scalisjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Sorry, but things are insane over here! | 10/29/2010 - Thanks Mrs. P! |
I just wanted to say thank you for the following email, and time you spent writing it out.
Hi Jake,
You really should go for number 1 on Baron Auto Scam because
this will really get a point across that even though the buyers are partially to
blame because we did sign the contract let it be known that car dealerships
need to start being HONEST with their customers and potential buyers because
that is how business should be conducted. All I can say is that Pastor Chevy
in Westhampton Beach was a place of integrity and honesty when it came to their
customers; however they were forced to close their doors due to the buy-out
from Chevy. Regarding the people mentioned from Baron who lost their jobs
because of your website I have my doubts because the name of the sales
person is still listed on the contact info for their cars. If I had a sales
person that was dishonest just so he or she can get a sale they would be let
go on the spot and I would have nothing to do with them. If they were let go
than why is the name still listed on the contact info?
Thank you
That's a fantastic, and you are completely correct, and I love how you said car dealerships need to start being honest. Everyone is aware of the stigma of a used car salesman, but it doesn't have to be that way. Unfortunately, the salesman that are good, get a bad wrap from guys like Joe Giordano, and Michelle Scalise. Whatever the situation, honesty is definitely what everyone is looking for.
Tags: joe giordano, michelle scalise, baron auto, mrs. pjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Thanks Mrs. P! | 10/15/2010 - More tidbits from Tim |
Ok, so yesterday we got news of the letting go of Joe G, Michelle S, and some other random character. It stinks, I know. But life happens, and we go on to bigger and better things. Or we don't, that's not really for me to say.
In case you missed yesterday's post, you can go here to read about it, then come back: Yesterdays Post
Anyway, here's the pertinent information from the email correspondence from Tim.
Hey Jake,
Just thought I would let you know that you are a dick for getting Joe and Michelle fired and I hope you burn in hell with the rest of your fans of baron auto scam.
Oodles of love,
Tim
Whoa!
Actually, Tim never wrote that, I was just playing. Here's the real email!
Hey,
One more thing, I was showing some of the guys from work this, and they
made a good point.
YOU AND ALL YOUR READERS FROM NOW ON SHOULD READ WHAT YOU SIGN, THAT'S WHAT
ALL THE PROBLEMS SEEM TO BE ABOUT, SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH LOL NOT ISSUES WITH
LEMONS OR PROBLEM CARS, JUST PAPERWORK.
So maybe your site can help everyone, customers and salespeople.
Customer's so they read before they sign anything and salespeople so they
don't have any bad postings of them up either. Hey, I'm surprised all
dealerships don't have a blankblankblank autoscam...lol
Thanks
Tim
You know what Tim, you are 100% right, and the fault does partially fall on those who are doing the complaining. But we would never be in the position we are in if it weren't for the underhanded tactics some of these salesman use by getting us to trust them early in the process and just changing things at the last minute.
Tags: joe g, michelle s, that guy with wild news tim, baron auto, baron auto scam, baron auto scamsjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to More tidbits from Tim | 10/14/2010 - I think i'm in love with Tim |
Ok, so i've had a pretty wild day. I got a flat tire last night (put on doughnut, moved on) and spent most of the day waiting to get the tire replaced. Totally sucked!
But, as I waited for the tire to get fixed, I got an email that made me laugh, cry, and piss myself all at the same time. I'm just kidding, I didn't cry.
Anyway, the email was from Tim. Tim seems like a pretty nice guy, he was so nice, that he even let me know that Joe and Michele and one other unnamed character was let go from Baron Auto Maxx in Medford.
And you know what, that sucks for them. I don't like the fact that someone lost their job, and I can only be partially to blame. And the reason that I am partially to blame is that I made a voice for all of the people who have been screwed by Baron Auto. With that knowledge, here's the email in it's entirety (not sure if I spelled that correctly, it looks wonky).
Dear Jake,
I am writing you this letter from the bottom of my heart,(I am in the car
business, for various reasons I wont say where I work) I thought you should know
that because of your vendetta for Baron Automall, you might get some
satisfaction in knowing that Joe G and two other employees of that store 1
including Michelle S are no longer with the company. Maybe you are satisfied
with those results, and maybe you won't be able to sleep at night knowing that
something you were a big part of caused a couple of people with families that
they need to support they're jobs. Everybody in retail, no matter what you
sell, there will be complaints. That's what happens when you deal with the
public. Everyone has their own point of view and remember there are 3 sides to
every story in life. To know that people's careers on the line and you were
responsible for their demise must make you feel really good! Or, on the other
hand, maybe it doesn't. Maybe you feel bad, is that really gonna change things
now?
One last thing in closing, judging by the complaints on your site, it seems
that they gave you and your fan club a choice if you wanted to purchase the car
or not, you CHOSE YES! Remember that? That's why this site is in affect, So
ultimately, everyone has a choice and when people feel that they made the wrong
choice after the fact I guess your motto is to "blame the other person instead
of looking in the mirror." Either way, no harm done to me, I didn't even know
them, I just knew of them through your site which the ratings are soaring
because of all the buzz in the car business about it and everyone in the local
industry talking about, (probably not high ratings from customers) BTW, I know
this won't be posted on your site, I wanted to share this with you for your
conscience.
Best of luck to you
Tim
I agree with Tim in some areas though. He says that I had the choice whether or not to buy the car. Joe Giordano also had the choice to not screw me. As a customer, we tend to put faith in the person who is going to give us goods or services. If those goods or services are not given properly, we have every right to complain. Which I did, and it fell on deaf ears. If the issue was fixed early on, the website would have never been created which would mean Joe G and Michelle S would still have jobs (that of course, if the loss of those jobs stemmed from this website that is).
There is actually a string of emails from Tim, i'll pick out the goodies and make a post tomorrow when I get a few moments.
Tags: tim, baron auto maxx, baron auto, joe g., michelle s.jake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to I think i'm in love with Tim | 9/29/2010 - DAMN IT!!! | Ok, so i've been waiting patiently for the police to show up at my door with guns ablazin'! I've been sitting here for over a month now with my hello kitty doll waiting for these cops to show up!!!
I'm upset. Either i've been hornswaggled, or somebodies lying. I hope it's not my 'source' that's the liar in all this. That would be terrible. Let's just say it was Joe who was lying. Yeah, that's where i'm gonna go with that. Joe Giordano is a liar.
Whatever, i'll just change back into my normal clothes.
Tags: damn it, damn liars, joe giordano, baron auto is a big liarjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to DAMN IT!!! | 9/28/2010 - Another email from Michele!!! |
Ok, so today I got another 2 emails (automated through the Baron Auto system) from Michele.
Here's what I got:
Dear Baron Auto Scams!!,
When you are the largest volume E-Dealer
in your area and committed to utilizing the Internet to better serve our
customers your, website promotions and incentives must be updated daily! It has been a while since your original
inquiry and our website has been updated to better serve you. Take this opportunity to visit us online
showroom and get ready to save! Enjoy
your stay.
Sincerely,
Michelle Scalise
Internet Sales
Manager Sorry, i've been busy with a few business opportunities. I got a few emails in the past few weeks, i'll update when I get the free moment.
Tags: joe giordano, baron auto, michelle scalisejake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Another email from Michele!!! | 9/9/2010 - Happy New Year! | For all my Jewish friends and readers out there. I just wanted to say happy new year, and I wish nothing but the best.
And here's a story from an employee that learned about all the wonderful treats Baron hands out. When I say treats, I mean hoaxes! Because I love to give out hoaxes during Halloween, unfortunately, these guys do it all the time!
The person asked to be kept anonymous, so, I will call this person Spencer (not his real name).
There finance managers are the scum of the earth, and i personally have
witnessed, them lying about payments, forging signatures, charging up to 4000
for VIN etch, Also the more money someone puts down the more they borrow from
the bank, and they use the customers down payment for sneaky extras that they
finagle into the payment without people knowing!. I know so much dirt on these
guys and i know joe giordano personally, and the
owners. The owners are blood thirsty thieves, and i have witnessed people crying
because baron ripped them off. In 2006 they averaged 7000 profit a car at the
outlet alone. They mark up interest rates, lie to customers, and laugh about
it...i'm fsxckin serious. The acts i have witnessed are felonies. Danny is
the finance guy at the automall, and he is ruthless.
Well, thank you Spence (not his real name) for all your time you took to send me an email. I'm glad I can post on the site, and would love to hear more from you. Nothing like hearing stories from the inside!
Spence (not his real name) said I should go to Fox 5 and do those 'shame shame shame' things or something similar. I think I just might go that route. We'll have to see if I need to take such drastic actions down the road. For now, being in the top 5 websites in google makes me content that people are being deterred from going to any Baron dealership. It sucks for the people who work there, especially the good guys, because they are losing business, but it's a price they pay for not keeping other honorable and trustworthy.
Tags: baron auto outlet, baron auto, joe giordano, the owners are blood thirsty thieves, 7000 profit a carjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Happy New Year! | 8/24/2010 - Apparently, I am going to jail! |
Ok, so I just received another email from my 'source'. Her and her husband are both fed up with Joe G and all of his antics.
Here is the email that I sent out to my source.
Hey [source's name was here],
I literally just got back, I ended up driving down
to Miami to bring my brother in law down to school, and we took a flight to get
home last night. Sorry I didn't get the chance to respond to your email the
other day.
Let me just say, holy crap! I hope you get
everything you need / want from them. Obviously Joe is finally starting to take
some heat, and it's well deserved. He's been doing this stuff for years, and
it's time to finally turn the tables.
Thanks for the email! Let me know how things turn
out for you guys.
Jake
Here is the email response from my source for your own viewing pleasure.
Hey Jake,
Actually, my husband is fed up with Joe because on Saturday during the
phone call he called me a bitch; so he [her husband] does not want to deal with the
unprofessionalism. My husband and I thank you for all that you have done with
putting the website up. Also, Joe mentioned that you are close to going to jail
just to let you know.
Also, Joe mentioned that you are close to going to jail. That is FANTASTIC!!! Definitely my favorite part!!!
Now, what makes this so exciting is that I am doing no wrong. In some states, posting a phone number on a website to directly call someone in a story without prior permission is illegal. Fortunately, I live in a state that doesn't follow those rules. Also, I have never posted a phone number or email address other than my own, so I'm pretty sure it's safe to say, I'm not going to jail any time soon.
Also, I work for 2 of the best trial attorney's on Long Island, so if for some reason, I am wrongly jailed, we will turn around and sue. Not only may I make a couple 100k, I will also have a whirlwind of media attention, which will not help Baron or any of their affiliates in any way. Plus the website will be number 1 in all search engines if they decide to take that route. I'm at number eight seven on google only because I was trying to come up with an amicable solution for all these issues. Not because I can't get higher.
Oh, and Joe, can you give me a call when the cops come to take me away? I'd like to be wearing one of my nice polo's before I go away!
Tags: my source, joe giordano, baron autojake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to Apparently, I am going to jail! | 8/24/2010 - This one is a tag team from Michelle and Joe!!! (UPDATE) | Sorry, I received this email on Saturday, but I was on the road driving down to Miami, bringing my brother in law to school. But, here's the gist of the email.
Instead of quoting direct from the email, I'll just sum it up briefly. Ever since the last post, Joe G (I call him Joe G now, because its easier on the spell check) has come under fire for a few reasons, which suck, I know. But you can only do wrong by so many people before you get screwed over for your sneaky tactics yourself.
According to my 'source', she is telling me that he called her saying that he was going to lose his job because of her story, and it's all her fault why this is happening to him. And he has a family, and all that stuff. It's funny, because he actually puts the blame on her, and not himself.
Regardless, since the story was on the internet for everyone to see, and he got in a little hot water, he is going to try to do some good. If he does do as he says he will, I will be sure to let everyone know in a later post. I will just await a response from my source.
I feel like a spy, because I have a 'source'.
Oh, and one final thing, during the phone call, Joe also said that my source was harassing Michelle Scalise for asking about why the sale price wasn't found anywhere on the contract that she had signed.
Tags: my source, joe giordano, baron auto, michelle scalisejake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to This one is a tag team from Michelle and Joe!!! (UPDATE) | 8/19/2010 - And the emails keep coming! |
This one is from a guy by the name of Jay. I absolutely LOVE his energy in this email. It's inspiring! I decided to put this one on the top of my list because it is so high energy and chock full of info! Others coming soon. I'm taking a drive down to Miami tonight, so I won't update until early next week!
Hi Jake! I just read aout all the people that got SCAMMED & RIPPED
OFF by those S--------BAGS at BARON AUTO MALL all over NY & long island!
It happened to me also. I signed some papers not aware that i signed a BLANK
CONTRACT(it was underneath all the papers i signed & initialed).After they
let me take the car home I called the VERY NEXT DAY TO SIGN & PICK UP THE
CONTRACT but they said the bank didn't have it READY so call back tomorrow which
i did but they gave me the same answer! After 19 days I called Chase to find out
when my payment was due & how much i was financing they told me i was
financing approx. 19,400 on a vehicle i was told my financing was 11,800. But
since it was after the 3 day window to cancel the contract I was screwed!!! I
called my lawyer & tried to get out of this headache so i have to take them
to court! The two that WORKED TOGETHER are Joe Giordano & Michelle Scalise.
Also watch out for a salesman named Randy, he was in on it also! I've been
calling all the investigative reporters & media people telling them of their
SCAM!!!!!!! The Dept. of Consumer Affairs KNOWS ALL ABOUT THEM & how they
RIP PEOPLE OFF!!!! Thank you
Oh no Jay, THANK YOU for the time you put into the email for us! It's awesome!
Tags: baron auto maxx, joe giordano, michelle scalise, jayjake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to And the emails keep coming! | 8/17/2010 - This one is a tag team from Michelle and Joe!!! |
Ok, so this one i'll call a "tag team" effort. Kinda like the hardy boys from WWE, but one of them is a girl. But weren't the Hardy boys girls anyway? Wait, what? Never mind, let's just move onto the story!
On May 22, 2010, my wife and I came into Baron Auto Maxx and spoke to Michelle
Scalise to trade in my wife’s 2002 Hyundai Sonata when she spoke to us she
stated that the amount that was owned on the loan was too high compared to what
they would give us for the trade. We also spoke to Joe the General Manager as to
getting approved for the loan with no money down he advised us that they were
working on the loan we said ok. After two hours of waiting Michelle stated that
they could get me approved for the 2008 Nissan Quest with Chase Auto Finance for
$15, 775.00 I said ok. After the contract was signed Joe informed me that Chase
will call to verify the information, Joe told me to, “Say Yes “to the questions
that the Bank Representative would ask because if I said no than Joe informed me
that the Bank would take repossession of the vehicle because the figures would
not add up on the contract; and if the Bank asked how much we put down to say
$1000.00 Cash” On Tuesday May 25, 2010 a representative from Chase did call me
and asked about the options in the vehicle and how much I put down. I did say
yes to the questions and also $1000 cash because of the fear of repossession on
my credit report and still owing money to the bank after the sale if they
reposed the vehicle. I looked over the options that they said the vehicle had
and it does not have some of what is listed on the advertisements. There is no
remote keyless entry system, power third row vent windows, stereo mounted audio
controls, luggage rack side rails. In addition, the finance charge is $14, 995,
price of vehicle 20, 000 and $1000 cash which I did not put down; total 35, 995
after all of the payments have been made. My question is how would I get
approved when I was currently 3 months behind on my auto loan with a balance of
over $25, 000 and also behind on my credit cards? On August 11, 2010 my wife had
the phone on speaker and spoke to Michelle and explained that the price that she
and Joe quoted was not listed anywhere on the contract which Joe and Michelle
stated that it would be and also there is no remote keyless entry system, power
third row vent windows, stereo mounted audio controls and luggage rack side
rails. When my wife was talking to Michelle, I heard the General Manger Joe in
the background and said not to talk to her and he grabbed the phone and was
yelling at my wife and said that she was looking for loop holes in order to get
out of the contract and informed us to have our attorney call him. All I wanted
was to have the options that we paid for under the loan. The original call was
to see where the title was because I still do not have it.
I don't have an actual name of the writer of this email since he used his wife's email address. But, this is just another story on the wonders that Baron Auto can do!
Tags: tag team, joe giordano, michelle scalise, baron auto maxx, joe giardonojake@baronautoscam.com Permanent Link to This one is a tag team from Michelle and Joe!!! |
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